A community evening of talks and networking with entrepreneurs in Sardinia — 27 August 2026, Aquarium Restaurant, Torre delle Stelle.
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Chris Okay, so thank you everyone for being here with us. Um, for me personally, this is one of my favorite events of the year. Thank you, Natalie, for hosting us. By the way, everyone, Natalie is being so kind to host us here. I'm going to do my best to spend as little time up here as possible because we are here to hear stories from local entrepreneurs that are going to tell us what inspired them to build here and potentially what they have in plan for the future. Each of these people, when I personally met them, I realized they had a unique story.
An international story that really spoke to what we're trying to build with Entrepreneurs Meet. So I'm going to speak a little bit about that briefly during this party that we're hosting. But first, I want to go through the agenda. We've all arrived, that's done. We're going to go through the talks and then afterwards what we're going to do is there will be no Q&A. Okay, there's no Q&A after the people are done presenting. What I'm going to encourage all the people presenting to do is kind of pick a blanket or a table or something so that we can all go up and ask the questions that are on our mind during their presentations in a more casual environment.
And that'll allow us all to move around and interact in a way that doesn't keep us all seated for quite so long. So I'd encourage you all to, to go up, ask the questions you have, and of course move around the room and make as many connections as possible because that's really really one of the main reasons we're here.
So when it comes to this project that we're working on, this group, this community, we are trying to strike a delicate balance. There are many professional organizations in Cagliari. We are one of the only ones that is English only, and there's a simple reason for that. It's not because our members don't speak Italian. In fact, probably 99% of the members do. We want to be an open door for people that are coming from the outside too.
Okay, but we have some very simple values that we follow. It's not-for-profit. Luigi helps to organize, Matteo helps to organize. We have a team of people that, that all build this, this project together, but we do it not for money. This is not feeding any business model. We're all focused here to actually build our own businesses and do that together. It's volunteer-led, as I said, but more specifically, it's sector agnostic.
So we love it if you're in tech, we love it if you have a small brick-and-mortar business, we think it's fantastic if you're in hospitality. You can even have a business that you're operating here that's in another country. So long as you're building something that is here, that you're doing here, and that's benefiting the local economy, the local community, then we're happy to have these people as members. Finally, diversity is really big for us.
We want to see an international group, and we're proud to say that we have more than 15 different nationalities represented in our membership, and we hope to see that grow even more.
There's one goal we have when you come to an event. You can come in not knowing anyone, but we want you to leave knowing people, feeling like you're more established here locally. It was something I struggled with when I moved to the area. I've heard this story many times from many people coming. Making connections, deep personal connections, matters.
And if you're interested in building business, making those connections with people that understand where you're coming from is even more valuable. So that's a key thing for us when we're doing these events. So as I said, I'm not going to spend too much time up here. I'm going to quickly introduce the people that are speaking though. So first we'll have Ovan speaking, but Mariah is also here.
They work together on this thing that they're building. I have been amazed at what they've put together as an experience in their, their pasta experience workshops, but there is a lot else going on under the surface. So I would encourage you to look at what they're building after the event, certainly encourage you to listen to what they have to say tonight.
Speaker D Thank you. We also have Laura here. Again, with Laura, I heard a very unique story about going somewhere else, being truly inspired, and bringing it back with her to build something that Calle Yiti really didn't have yet. So quite excited to hear what she has to say about that. We also have Vittorio. I saw Vittorio's story online, but I instantly knew it was aligned with what we're doing in our, in our community, felt the need to reach out to him and have him come and speak with the group.
Chris So he's going to be presenting what they're doing in tech. It's quite exciting, in fact. Finally, we'll close with Gianluca. He's yet to arrive, but I can say if you want to have fine coffee, he is making it in Cagliari. And I've had coffee all over the world. I have to say that it's some of the finest coffee I've So if you care about that, you definitely want to know more about what he's working on. Finally, we're gonna also have Natalie quickly speak about her project, which is a huge one, and it's not just this restaurant. So I hope that we'll hear a lot about what's going on here in Torre.
So can we begin, Avan?
Ovan Thank you for having us, Natalie. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. So we start. We are Marije— so Marije Graafschma is from Dutch heritage, and my name is Ovan Abdullah. So I was born in Iraq, grew up in the Netherlands, and that's where we also met at the art school. So we graduated as fashion designers. That's almost 14 years ago. And then shortly after, we created our brand, Amkina, which means who are we in Kurdish. So it embodies what we are actually interested and giving a reflection of where we are always looking at.
And then— Yeah, it was my dream, like, uh, from 18 years old to move to Italy, and Oban always said, no, we're not gonna do that, or we need a lot of money. And then this project came up with the Dutch television. We bought a house for €1. It's real. So yeah, we created a sleeping experience over there. In Barbagia? So the idea was to create a place where people would interact with the local people.
Because Ollolai, the village in Barbagia, was a place that was almost abandoned. And the mayor thought of selling houses for €1 to get more new people in, and especially the youth, to generate something interesting for them. So we were one of the 5 lucky couples that could participate in this thing. And then we renovated the house and made a sleeping experience with 3 rooms. And so the idea was that we didn't want people just only to sleep in the bed and breakfast.
We wanted also to give them a look into the real heritage, the real life. But also we brought the fashion with us and we wanted to introduce our craft to the local people as well. So we organized a fashion show. we flew in some Dutch models as well and models from Cagliari just to show the local people that we came with real intentions to create something of our own.
But surely also we, we discovered that there is so much amazing things here in the island, uh, looking to the tradition. So we also use a little bit of those elements in the, in the course. For example, we discovered the weaving in the Barbagia, so we made bags of the weaving technique of the barbaja. So we wanted to integrate this into, into our fashion label, and eventually with our bed and breakfast, our fashion label became a lifestyle.
So it was not only the fashion, because we had the bed and breakfast, we had 2 rooms, um, but yeah, we kind of needed to go to this new route that we had to take. So what was actually alive that was almost disappearing. Because the €1 project isn't only about selling houses for €1, it's also disappearance of culture. Because a lot of people leave the island or leave these small villages and they kind of like leave also the craft.
So what we did is to offer our guests in a bed and breakfast an experience that they would not forget. Because you could sleep everywhere here on the island, it's amazing, it's phenomenal, but you will not directly get in touch with the local people. So that's what we kind of like thought of. So we had local people doing basket weaving. We found someone who had donkeys.
He didn't do anything with them, so we thought, well, we could do donkey picnic or cuddling with donkeys. So we made that happen. And there's also something that we thought is amazing. The energetic field here on the island is so amazing. It kind of like has this pull. And we also wanted to combine it with something that is maybe not not real Sardinian, but the Tibetan sound bowls at the nuraghe. And that also happened.
So I think we've been looking through these years, what is the island and what is our interaction with the island. And then also we kind of like redesign things that there's alive here on island, but we don't change the culture or the tradition. We just try to give our twist to it. So I offer pasta workshops, so The idea is exactly how the tastes are here in Sardinia, but I just made it plant-based and added a little bit of a twist of the fashion that I like, adding colors and some different textures.
And I think that's also what we are thinking of, like you can come here outside of the island and then bring something from elsewhere or create or co-create something here with the island. And that's also something that we are now looking back into, the fashion. And there's so much amazing products and materials here on the island that is alive. The wool, the linen, the craftsmanship, and disappearing techniques. So we really want to try to bring that back into our fashion style as well.
Thank you so much. Okay, thank you very much guys for having me.
Laura Hello everyone, my name is Laura and today I'm gonna tell the story of my brand Kazu and the idea that inspired it. So in 2015, 11 years ago, I was working as an intern in a consulting firm in LA and one day I went for the first time to the Cheesecake Factory and tasted New York-style cheesecake. Precisely, it was lemon meringue cheesecake. It was truly an experience, truly amazing. It was a perfect combination between texture and flavors.
It was creamy, it was crunchy, it was sweet but also salty and slightly acidic. All in one bite. So from that moment on, cheesecake became an obsession for me forever. Little did I know that almost 10 years later, I would leave my career behind to open my own bakery and that cheesecake, precisely lemon meringue cheesecake, would become my best-selling product. After finishing the internship in LA, I came back to Sardinia. I graduated in management and business administration, and I co-founded my first business in the tourism sector, where I worked for several years. But after a while, after a while, something became clear to me. I truly wanted to open my own bakery.
So I started doing some market research. It became clear to me that I could not compete with the traditional pastry shops just by selling what they were already doing. So I needed something different. I needed something that could make me stand out in a very competitive market. So I thought about cheesecake. Also creating a single product concept would make the business much more easy to manage.
So instead of creating a whole variety of desserts, I could focus only on one product and doing it very well. So that's where I saw the opportunity with the cheesecake. But what I thought was that I could create a whole concept around the world of cheesecakes. So instead of just creating one format, I could, yes, create a whole cheesecake in different flavors and different sizes that could be personalized according to the requests of the clients, that would be sold mainly for birthdays, special occasions, and ceremonies, but also mini cheesecakes that could be taken away in boxes of different sizes, boxes that people could fill with the flavor they preferred instead of sticking just with one flavor.
In this way, we have a single product with different flavors, different sizes that could fit different occasions and different needs. After creating the concept, I starting thinking about the storytelling behind the brand Kazu. I imagined a little world, a little magical world inspired by the Victorian era where a big, a large family of women lived. These women would represent each of them a cheesecake.
Fun fact, every name is inspired by a person of my family. personal stories. So we have my grandmother, we have friends of mine, old teachers, and so on. What I found beautiful is that my clients immediately embraced this concept, and they immediately started referring to the cheesecake not with the name of the flavor, so chocolate, lemon, and so on, but with their personal names, so Rosalba, Yolanda, and so on.
And they almost got attached to them, almost as if these are real people in a real world. Today, Kazoo has been around for 2 years. It's still a very young brand in its early stages, but we have already many exciting plans for the future. We have just entered the wedding market, offering people that want to get married an alternative to the classic wedding cake and classic wedding buffet.
We are also preparing to enter the restaurant world, collaborating with local restaurants in order to let people taste Kazu cheesecake also when they go out for dinner. So Kazu's story is still very much a story to be written, waiting to be written. But the enthusiasm of the so-called Kazoo Friends, it's so strong and overwhelming that I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a very interesting one.
Vittorio This Facebook post got 14 likes, and 2 of them were from my parents. Basically, I was 18 years old, I was in high school, and it was 3 weeks from the last exam in the colmaturità, and we just launched checkmoney.it. Which is the first website in Italy where you can upload your transactions and it tells you exactly how much you're spending each month. Basically, this was before Revolut, it was before Satispay. It was crazy.
And half of them, half of my class didn't even have a credit card. And it wasn't a startup, it wasn't a company. It was dead within the year. Hi, I'm Vittorio. I'm a software engineer and entrepreneur who have been building in finance and tech for the past 12 years, building a product which at the end is almost the same, just, you know, in different flavors.
I did my bachelor and master in computer science engineering in Padua in the north of Italy. That's where I come from. And then I moved to Copenhagen where I did another master's in AI. It was not a thing back then. It was called machine learning. But the cool thing is that during that time in Copenhagen, in 5 years, I taught at courses, databases, because I didn't have any money. So I tried to do a lot of jobs.
At the same time, I worked for Microsoft part-time. Then I finished the university, it became a full-time job, and then it was too much. It was such a big company, no impact, and you want to do something more. So I was like, okay, let's build another company. And we created this social e-learning platform for students to learn socially. Impossible. Impossible to make money here. Learning is very unsexy for business. So then we moved into crypto. Crypto was 2021, it was booming.
And so we started doing some crypto trading and that's where the other company came from. And then Cointracker came, which basically I was bored of the very startup, little, the big company, it was something in the middle. I wanted a YC company from San Francisco. I want to be, you know, the American vibe. That's where Cointracker came. Again, crypto accounting. So you see the flow. Also, Microsoft was the enterprise accounting product. And in the meantime, I moved here.
And that's where I started the real estate business. So I started buying apartments, splitting them, renovating them, renting them. And that's where I ended up on a Saturday night. At 11 PM trying to figure out how much am I actually earning for each listing. And what's funny is that, you know, I couldn't do it after 3 engineering degrees, 12 years in data, and I couldn't answer questions that I created a website for 12 years before.
So now if— actually, yeah, so If I can ask the audience, if you own or rent a place, put your hands up. All right, now keep your hands up if you can tell me exactly how much you earn in profit, not revenue, in profit, after the bills, the maintenance guy, the glasses that you broke, and all that. Sorry, one more question. So that's the business. That's the company what we're building. That is Dr.
House, which is the AI CFO for people that manage short-term rentals.
Basically, it's, um, um, the, the, the reason why it was difficult for you to answer and to get that number is because this kind of profit is actually living in different places. You have payouts at different schedules. Airbnb and Booking pays differently. And then you have a bank account and then the accountant with their cost and VAT. And then you have the bookings themselves. And so you never know. So let me give you a precise example, a real example. So you got 1 cleaner, 6 apartments, 1 invoice.
And now you got to split that across 6 owners. based on the guests that came in, the towels that they used, the number of nights they've been. So it's possible, right? And, you know, if it's completely wrong, nobody notices until the owner comes in at the end of the year. It's like, you know, I didn't earn any money. And so, and so that's why we, that's why we built CoinTracker. Doctor House, actually.
And the point here is that we built the whole reconciliation engine, which is the boring part. But then the cool thing here is that now that there is the AI, once you have this clear and clean picture about exactly what you're earning, where you're spending, et cetera, then you can know more about the business than you ever have known.
Because you have a team of agents that, you know, everybody with every— everyone with his own knowledge— accounting, payouts, forecasting— that can help you run the business and you can talk with your numbers. And one thing is that short-term rentals is where we start, but we— if you think about it, next you have long-term rentals. Then you can also put buying opportunities, selling opportunities, renovation business plan.
The idea here is to actually fix— it's all one problem. It's real estate finance. And we want to build a platform here to fix that. Now, on the last part, On the Sardinia part. So first thing you should know is that I'm not from here. I'm actually, as I said, from Padua. And I don't have a grandma from Morristano. OK? I actually— people ask, why are you coming here?
And sometimes it's more simple than it seems. But when you wake up to a blue sky after 5 years in Copenhagen, it's a different thing. But the real reason is actually emptiness. What do I mean with that? What I felt when I came here and why I stayed is because you feel like you have a huge island, an enormous potential, but nobody lives here. You have so few people and the good ones leave, right?
And so you would see this as an argument for leaving as well. I see it as an argument for staying. Because you have an opportunity to build, to build something great here. I don't think it's a lack of talent. I don't think it's a lack of opportunities. Again, it's a lack of an environment. And indeed, ourselves, we found that hard, even finding a place to work.
Not just rent an office, but a place where you have other builders, other people to work with. And, you know, we are working through that. And so, you know, as a long-term vision, right, I feel like when you start thinking too much about that, you're like, okay, maybe there is not one, maybe we should start building one, right? And we got in this place called H-Farm. I don't know if you know it.
It's like a— it's a place next to Venice where you have a campus, You have children from very young age to high school, and then you have universities, and then you have startups, and then you have companies all in one place, all in one environment. It would be awesome to build that here, but 100 meters from the beach. So that's what we want to build. It's a long-term vision, but I think— Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.
And yeah, I'm just reading through just because, but yeah, that's what we're gonna build. So yeah, as I said before, I got 14 likes 12 years ago. Now we manage 5,000 listings on our software, and I chose— I left Padua. Padua, I left Copenhagen, left San Francisco, but I chose to stay here. Thank you.
Nathalie I really like this format. I can see everybody, everyone looks comfortable. Um, thank you, EMC. I, I personally am a huge fan of EMC. As soon as I got here, I was looking for a group like this to be a part of, and, uh, very proud to be a part of this group. So thank you guys for all your hard work and putting it together. A big round for them. So this is Aquarium. This is the first touch that you have to what we're doing here.
But essentially, my name is Natalie de Clercq. My great-grandmother was the founder of Torre delle Stelle. That's the story. That's my attachment to Sardinia. I spent all my summers here. And my grandfather was actually the one who built Aquarium back in the day when it was a discotheque, a club. Famously. Now my brother and I, which I was hoping he would come over to say hello, but I think he's— he must be busy.
We are working on a few different projects mainly focused in Torre delle Stelle. Our goal is to make Torre delle Stelle one of the best places to visit in South Sardinia and maybe eventually in Sardinia, and also doing our part to increase awareness about Sardinia and South Sardinia as a whole. And we do that through different ways, such as the magazines that you see around, the websites.
We have a great marketing team, including the photographer Gianmarco that you see around here rolling around. For Torre delle Stelle itself, we have big plans. We have, let's say, an idea of what we believe that it can become again. If you have some idea of what it was back in the day, you know that it was a very beautiful fun, elegant, and wonderful place to have summer holidays, and we hope to make it that again. Besides aquarium, we're managing the local park.
We have also over 60 rooms under management in Torre delle Stelle. So for all the real estate people, I'm sure we can talk afterwards and brainstorm a little bit more on how we can work together. We're also working on a very big project for me. my first hotel project, which is the residence at the top. By the end of October, we'll have the keys and we can start working on that. It's a long-term project, so it won't be ready for a few years.
But that— there's David, my brother. You can see he's my partner in crime in all of this. So yeah, those are our plans. I think I've got— we've also— we have a little center, shopping center, let's say, which is Sagittario, that we hope to make the, the main street of Torre delle Stelle and, uh, and create more of a community center also there. Um, plenty of other things actually in the works, but I, I really don't want to take up too much time.
I'm very excited to see what EMC is going to, to reveal to us today, um, and very happy to talk to you all. And, and please, you can my brother too if you have any questions. But, uh, for anyone who's, uh, here working and being an entrepreneur in Sardegna, like, power to you. I know it's hard, but, uh, I agree that, uh, it's worth it and that there's boundless opportunities for us to be here. So have a good evening, everybody, and continue working.
Gianluca Hi everyone. Okay, hi everyone, I'm Gianluca, Gianluca Mereu, and I'm a coffee roaster. So obviously I didn't build all the things that Nathalie did yet. I, I'm still quite young, I'm 32 years old, and I spent the last 12 years basically traveling and working in Ireland and Australia and Spain. And, uh, oh well, I did the other side. Yeah. Um, so I started my coffee career back in, in Ireland, and, uh, slowly basically I jumped there.
I escaped from Sardinia because I didn't see a bright future here, and I just basically ran away from here. And I tried to build my future elsewhere in Ireland, where I manage a coffee roastery, and I built 10 coffee shops in Ireland. And I started— when I started in the company there, I was— my first coffee shop, I was only 20 years old. Slowly, in only 8 years, I created 10 coffee shops in Ireland.
The economy was growing up a lot, where then I opened my coffee— the coffee roastery there. After many years working there between Australia and traveling in Asia, in Vietnam, and where I got in touch with a lot of coffee farmers, there was always something missing in my coffee career, opening my place. And I got the opportunity to do it in Australia. I got the opportunity to do it in Ireland.
But it's like, yes, I could do it, but I wanted to bring all I've learned during my coffee— during my career and my experience back home. That's why I came back here close to my family and getting a bit emotional while talking. And there we go, I opened Essenzia. Essenzia is a coffee roastery specialized in artisan coffee, specialty coffee, high-grade coffee, where I do everything on my lap. I do coffee courses, and I have a retail shop where people can come and buy coffee from home.
And also I have the roastery there. I do everything in one place. So my— I'm specialized mostly in— I'm building B2B customers. I have a lot of B2C customers. And a lot of coffee courses. My focus is mainly in Sardinia, but I also follow a lot of customers around Europe. It's mostly— I do— oh, there we go, the other side. I do this job mainly for just to keep going and for my passion, because I'm really passionate about what I do.
That's why also I'm also involving coffee competitions, which is— one is going to be at the end of the year. And that's all. I do just coffee.
I do what I say to make it simple. I just turn green coffee to brown. That's it. That's who I am. Okay, we're just gonna go through one more thing. We're gonna try to keep it to 10 minutes, so thank you everyone for your patience.
Chris When I started working with Entrepreneurs Meet— When I first started working with the team at Entrepreneurs Meet, it was already 8 months in, 10 months in, something like this. It had been running for a while. I personally felt like I'd found my tribe. I think that anyone involved has had that same feeling at some point when they've come to a meeting or interacted with someone they've met at these events. So it's something that, at least for the team, has always felt like a slow-building process. We do this in our free time.
It's felt very much like an MVP. We keep testing. Sometimes things just simply don't work out. Sometimes people walk away from an event looking a little bit bored and it kills us inside a little bit, but we come back the next month and we do it again. But we've had so many signals and so many stories from our members over the last, I would say, year and a half that we really felt inspired to push this further.
So if you've ever been to one of our events, we always say, Go to our website, register so that you can be seen. And I hope you'll do that at the end of tonight if you're not already in the directory. But as we exit this MVP phase, we're building a deeper vision. And you've heard those stories tonight already. The fact that seeing opportunity where there is not much yet— this is exactly how I felt too. I thought, what's up with the busy city?
Why can't we just go somewhere where it's a little bit more quiet and try to build up from not much? You can— big cities, you can bump into an event around every corner when you're in the city center. So over the last year, we've been gradually building, taking the stories, taking what we hear at the meetings, taking what we hear from our community, and we're trying to really put a new face on this to make it feel like we're entering into a new phase.
And so with that, We're revealing a new look for the community. We've had some help from community members. Alessandra, that's sitting over here, has been a big help to us. We've sent this out to Sharon, to other people, to Natalie's seen this as well. We first went and said, does this make sense to you? Does it look good? Does it feel professional? Does it feel fun at the same time?
And with this look, we're trying to speak to stories as well. Each of the glyphs that we're introducing through this logo speak to part of the mission that we think everyone has, and we've just heard it from those people enough times that we realized it needs to be represented somehow. We do have a fun side, so we needed to show that in color, in words. We also do business casual.
You can see I'm wearing shorts, but there's buttons on this shirt. You know, we do take business seriously and we want people to see that. So we need to be able to switch, in a way, between the party environment and the work environment. Show that it makes sense. We can tell 2 different stories in the same place. That's what we're going to be doing soon. I mean, I wanted to show this work to you because it's been a lot of work.
Luigi's put a ton of time into it. We really put our hearts into it because we feel like— Sardinia needs to have a good— an attractive face. It needs to have something where someone from the outside looks and says, look at this group, look at that group, look at what's being built, and they'll want to bring their talent here because there is a lot of opportunity. So please go to our website.
You'll see it literally has 2 faces, but it has 2 messages and they're both valid. But the other thing that we're doing is we're building a content engine here. So after tonight, the talks from all of the people that have spoken will be available. You can listen to audio, you can see transcripts. We're going to be telling stories behind the businesses, and you'll be able to access that when you look at the event listing.
We're going to be interacting completely on this site now. We were using 3 tools before, now we're going to be using one. Newsletters, ticketing, Everything else. And we hope that people will also come on just to connect because we want people that are only here for 4 months out of the year to still be present in our community. And that's also a story we hear time and time again. People want to be here year-round.
They can't always be. And so when they come back in October, having been gone for 6 months, I feel like they've been away. I feel that, that, that loss a little bit. So We are up everywhere, even the group itself. If you're— if you are interested in joining our WhatsApp group, please come talk to me or to Luigi. We're on LinkedIn, check us out.
I think that this is really just a glimpse at the work that we've been doing, but what's going to come through in the new vision, the new brand for EMC, is going to be coming next. You'll see it if you interact with the website, if you read the newsletter. If you check us out on LinkedIn, you'll see the messages that we're putting out. You'll see it evolve over time. But we do, we want to be the open door for people that are coming from the outside, whether they have left for a while and come back home, or whether they've just picked this as their next home.
So thank you, everybody. And there is just— I'm done. There's a little bit— Luigi's going to show us a little bit more. Do you want to dive in? I just see that. I guess, because I guess we are already bored enough to show— I wanted to showcase a bit the website, but I'll just quickly talk about it instead.
Luigi Put one of the other slides. So this is a website that is meant to grow with the community, okay? Every day, everything there is gonna be dynamic. Who comes in, who goes, your information, all these talks, all the information that you think is important to share, we wanted to put it there for everybody to read, for everybody to access. Also to know people. For instance, people that are coming to this meeting from now onward, you'll be able to see who came to that meeting.
You'll see the picture, you'll see the person, you can download the card on your phone, you have his number, her number, if they do share it. So I encourage you, like Chris did, to go on the website, have a look by yourself. You don't need me to show you around. It's gonna be pretty easy to go around. And from now onwards, every communication will pass by there, ticketing and so on. So this is all I wanted to say.
And again, thanks, Natalie, for hosting us, and thank all— thanks all of you for coming. Thank you. For people, they shared their stories, are invaluable for us. And nothing, enjoy the rest of the evening. That was a thank you, but also we need to say the next event is in September on the 24th. It's always on the last Thursday of the month.
Chris So yes, please connect, join the community through the website, be seen. But come to our next event too, please. We'd be happy to have you. Thank you. Okay, that's it. And we're out of light anyway. But please feel free to move around. Please approach the speakers, connect. Thank you, everyone.